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"Users,
I'm going to be honest with you, where other ex-staff members wouldn't have wanted me to be. Right now, we are being held hostage by two staff members that were termniated on Friday. They have taken control of http://Subeta.org - and are attempting to run it on their own. While I sympathize that they have been terminated, and removed from staff, I cannot begin to imagine what possess a person to do do something like this.
Of course, they quote betrayal of trust, but who's trust did they betray when they lied over and over again, refused to deliver on their promises, and never moved forward? They were removed from staff so we could peacefully move forward, and they decided to take things into their own hands. Unacceptable.
Subeta.WS will be back online today, and I hope that you will use it, and tell all of your friends NOT to use http://subeta.org. This is a really terrible time, and I have a lot of updates for you as soon as subeta.ws is online.
Keith & The Staff "

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This is the new subeta! Do NOT use http://subeta.org. Please tell your friends, and any users you see on http://Subeta.org to move to this site, Subeta.ws. Why do you think they have turned off the shoutbox, and the forums? Also, I updated Subeta.ws this morning with a note about what is going on, but I will be making another announcement later on today, depending on how discussions with ex-staff members go

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Users,

I just wanted to send you a quick email, letting you know what was going on. First of all, log out of http://subeta.org. This site is no longer run by myself, and has been taken over by two ex-staff members. I'm asking you to move to the new servers, which are temporarily located at http://www.subeta.ws

The reason for this sudden change, and all of the problems won't be apparent to you right away, but I promise that we are working very hard right now to get everything stable, and right for you. To an extent, I knew that something like this would happen when I fired these two employees, however I can promise you that it was a step in the right direction.

Thank You,
Keith

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You've heard the rumor that Mr. Kurson is no longer in charge of http://Subeta.org. That rumor is currently true. Other rumors have been flying around -- some started by Mr. Kurson, some started by others in his circle. Some have a ring of truth to them, some do not. This post will hopefully clear some things up and give you a more "whole" picture that you may judge for yourself what has happened.

The two ex-staff members in question are indeed, currently keeping the website, http://subeta.org on and functioning. This is not to steal anything, as the rumor goes 'round. As a matter of plain fact, the Cash Shop paypal address still goes directly to Mr. Kurson's PayPal account. Mr. Kurson made posts, sent emails, created news, etc. to move to http://subeta.org before said staff members were notified of their termination. it would more appear that Mr. Kurson abandoned http://subeta.org and did it in such a way as to create as much backlash and drama for the ex-staff members as possible while creating a pocket of sympathy and protectors and defenders for himself.

The site stolen? Hardly. Abandoned? Yes.

Then there is the question as to why said staff members are now ex staff members. Rumors range from they were holding Mr. Kurson and http://Subeta.org hostage to them stealing http://subeta.org. The reasons are hardly as dramatic as this. Mr. Kurson terminated the two ex-staff because he felt strongly that they no longer fit in with his plans for Subeta and could not match the growth rate of it. The two ex-staff did not object to or even fight against his reasons, whether they agreed or not. If that was the way that Mr. Kurson felt, then that was the way it was. All that the ex staff members wanted was what was owed to them by Subeta.
What could Subeta possibly owe two ex-staff members? For the duration of their employment, they loaned a considerable sum of money monthly out to help offset the operating costs of running Subeta, always being promised to be reimbursed when profits picked up. Well, within the first year, profits picked up over 50%. Instead of taking the opportunity to not only begin reimbursing themselves, they decided that the money should go into paying the staff better -- to increase their practically non-existant payments to some with a bit more to it, something that wouldn't be as laughable and exploitative as they were, previously and to purchase hardware to help further increase users and, as such, profits. In a campaign to do so that lasted several months of them fighting for the staff, eventually changes started being made. While staff payments are still low for what they should be, the increases and bonuses facilitated by the ex-staff were welcomed by all, even those who opposed the ex-staff. All of this, instead of getting reimbursed. They continued to assist in covering operating costs -- this time also with the promise of stock. So while the two ex-staff did not and do not wish to fight their termination, with the actions of Mr. Kurson who has told them outright that he is not only not going to pay them what monies they have invested into Subeta, but also the monies for the time they worked for the past two weeks and their severance pay and the other contractually obligated payments he is required to pay to them, coupled with his premature accusations of them "stealing" the site, they find themselves custodians of http://Subeta.org.

All they can do at this point is continue to keep the site alive and secure until a peaceable resolution can be found that will make all parties happy. Thus far, all attempts to come to one have been met with silence and//or demands that are impossible to meet at this time, as they are being held hostage, themselves by the need to have the loans repaid to them and being told in no uncertain terms that they won't be.

So this is http://Subeta.org. Your accounts and your items here will be kept safe and secure. There can be no guarantees of what will happen to your accounts at http://subeta.org so if you choose to continue here, we urge you to change your passwords here and elsewhere on the internet as a security measure. You will be updated as often as updates are to be had.

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